Among Mark Zuckerberg's announcements is the end of the DEI (Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion) programs at Meta. My friend Mike Rognlien, who created many of these programs at Facebook back in the day, and I were talking about our reactions to this news, and I asked him if he’d be willing to come to the podcast to discuss them.
Part of the reason I wanted to have him on is that I’ve had a very mixed experience with training like this. I’ve always found Mike’s approach to not lecture but give you tools to understand where others might be coming from. Although we disagree on many things, we can have deep, rich, and nuanced conversations because of the tools I’ve learned from his training, including Crucial Conversations and Unconscious Bias.
In our conversation, we discussed the evolution of corporate culture at Facebook. We explore the significance of learning and development initiatives, the impact of recent changes at Meta, and the challenges of navigating political perspectives within the workplace. The conversation delves into the importance of DEI programs and the role of unconscious bias training in fostering a more inclusive corporate environment. In this conversation, Mike discusses the evolution and importance of unconscious bias training, the challenges of navigating ideological diversity within DEI efforts, and the need for curiosity and respect in discussions about diversity and inclusion. He emphasizes the significance of creating inclusive environments and the ongoing necessity of DEI work, even as corporate attitudes shift. The conversation highlights the importance of emotional intelligence and the need for organizations to adapt their training approaches to foster meaningful dialogue and understanding.
Here are links to a few things we mention:
This is Now Your Company by Mike Rognlien
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